Former Cop speaks out on biker shooting

Former Cop speaks out on biker shooting

Former cop, Norbert Williams, has been speaking on the police shooting yesterday of a young motorcyclist at Babonneau.

The biker, identified as Rick Sebastien of Paix Bouche, is reported to have been shot by an officer in plain clothes.

According to news reports, the young biker had collided with the officer’s vehicle and failed to stop even when called upon to do so by the law enforcement official, who shot him in the leg.

Some reports indicate that the officer subsequently slapped the wounded youth as he lay on the ground.

Reports about the incident have created a firestorm in the social media with some persons criticizing the police officer for using excessive force, while others have sided with the lawman.

Former  police officer, Norbert Williams, added his voice to the debate today in a telephone call to Radio Caribbean International (RCI) during the station’s  Newsspin call-in programme.

Williams, who served in the Royal Saint Lucia Police Force (RSLPF) between 1984 and 1990, made his contribution shortly after a caller, who identified himself as a retired officer, justified the shooting of the biker.

“The police force right now is beleaguered with enough woes and problems for these types of statements to be made as having been a former police officer and possibly indicating that there are  others who share those same sentiments,” Williams noted.

He described as ‘absolute garbage’ the statements that were made.

Williams,who served in the SSU, Immigration and other Departments of the RSLPF, explained that the circumstances under which a person can be shot by a police officer  are well described within the law.

He disagreed with the caller who had identified himself as a former cop that a court has to render judgement to know whether the discharge of a firearm was within the law and according to regulations in the police force.

“According – and I have to be very particular with this; according to the information coming out from the incident which occurred yesterday, I have not heard any information which indicates that the person who collided with the police vehicle  or the vehicle which the gentleman was driving, or scraped the vehicle or came into contact with it in any way and subsequently fleeing should have been shot,” Williams stated.

He expressed the view that maybe there might be other information regarding the shooting victim.

However Williams said according to the information received, nothing suggests that the shooting was warranted.

“The information from the witnesses who indicated that after the individual was shot and fell on the ground he was assaulted by this police officer in plain clothes, plainly this is not correct,” he declared, adding that to suggest that someone can be shot just because that person is fleeing is ‘absolute rubbish.”

“This is absolute madness,” Williams told RCI.

He said nobody’s life was in danger.

Earlier a caller to Newsspin, quoting from the Criminal Code of Saint Lucia, had said that the use of  such force was justified in preventing someone who was about to or in the process of committing an indictable offence.

However Williams said that colliding with a vehicle or being in a vehicle accident on the roadway with a motorcycle was not an indictable offence – a case that is brought before a jury.

“Let’s hear this thing play out there and get more details on this, but from what we know right now there was absolutely no justification for the person being shot,” the former cop said.

Williams, who is also the Communications Officer Speak Out Saint Lucia (S.O.S) which  advocates on behalf of victims of sexual abuse, child molestation, incest and rape, made clear that he was speaking in a private capacity.

 

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20 Comments

  1. Bwet kuku
    November 15, 2016 at 5:45 pm Reply

    Shut up Norbert on another issue hiw cone you kept quiet in the issue concerning Dale Elliot beating that girl oh he is your partner hence the moo moo pills huh!

  2. Anonymous
    November 15, 2016 at 5:55 pm Reply

    Williams was a toy police officer. No significant contribution was made by him.

  3. eca
    November 15, 2016 at 6:40 pm Reply

    I agree with Williams? Who was in imminent danger? Was the youth not fleeing? This is madness

  4. jo
    November 15, 2016 at 7:48 pm Reply

    Police job is to protect and serve. Could you tell me were did that police protect and serve the. A. the criminal
    B. the public
    INFACT HOW THE POLICE HANDLE THE SITUATION WAS PUTTING THE CRIMINAL IN DANGER AND THE PUBLIC, BY CHASEING AFTER HIM…

    Remember your job tittle officer, don’t get carried away.

  5. 758
    November 15, 2016 at 8:08 pm Reply

    from what i have heard one cannot discharge his firearm if their life is not in danger

  6. Jo
    November 15, 2016 at 8:13 pm Reply

    Mi
    if I was the biker.. and after the court fine me for hit and run or jail me for hit and run I WOULD ASK THE COURT TO RETUNE THE SLAP AND THE SHOT TO THE OFFICER LAG … FOR SURE.

    1. XxxX
      November 16, 2016 at 6:54 am Reply

      real talk!

  7. Anonymous
    November 15, 2016 at 9:26 pm Reply

    I agree with Williams
    From reading the article I do not in my opinion think that anyone’s life was in imminent danger.

  8. Anonymous
    November 15, 2016 at 10:58 pm Reply

    Some officers are just plain stubborn and mule-headed. It’s officers like these that create a bad image for the police. His behavior in the matter is totally unacceptable and unjustifiable.

  9. Open Minded
    November 16, 2016 at 5:07 am Reply

    I’m in total agreement with the officer. He is a human being first then an officer. It would have been courtesy to stop and identify that the collision was an accident. Nothing serious sorry buddy. You hooligans need to he stood up to. I would do the samething given the circumstances. We need to stop being so reactive and put ourselves in other people’s shoes. Clearly I can’t take the side of the biker because I vehemently disagree with his actions. You right officer let lucians play judge, jury and executioner until it happens to them. Smh

  10. Never
    November 16, 2016 at 8:46 am Reply

    Shooting around? This proves that this cop does NOT believe in law and order!

    ONLY the Court has to decide punishments, not a single cop!

    Shame on this so called self justice and to everybody supporting it.

  11. James Badman
    November 16, 2016 at 9:02 am Reply

    If the officer intended to shoot the tyre in order to stop the fleeing person but inadvertently shot him in the leg then ….. ?
    Doesn’t intent play a part in this ?

    1. shakur
      November 16, 2016 at 9:12 am Reply

      And how do u prove intent ?

  12. Trump
    November 16, 2016 at 9:11 am Reply

    Next time Mr cop, chase him with your vehicle and run him over. Or maybe just “scrape his fender” back. Oh wait, bikes don’t have fender. Still yes, his leg would suffer the same fate. Make it as a movie scene the next time so we can can see hit and run is an offense too. Ask the biker his licence and insurance and tell me why he attempted to flee.

    1. Anonymous
      November 16, 2016 at 9:18 am Reply

      Yes I agree with you ….he need to go back to driving or riding school lol

  13. Anonymous
    November 16, 2016 at 9:20 am Reply

    A driver suppose to stop after having an accident. Didn’t he know that ?? Becaful because you don’t know you run or mess with!!

  14. Anonymous
    November 16, 2016 at 9:30 am Reply

    Wonder if the police will be charged. If not we all can be victims.

  15. Anon1
    November 16, 2016 at 9:33 am Reply

    The majority of St Lucians don’t own or have not read our Constitution but always quick two add their UNEDUCATED stupid comments.

    A lot Police Officers who there to protect and serve are not familiar with the Laws either but they’re the ones who are meant to protect and serve.

    These officers have been doing this for years, and you wonder why the public have no confidence in our Police Force.

    You wonder why people don’t go to the Police with information pertaining to crimes they know about.

    Lastly, when the Public starts retaliating we will wonder why!

    Lets not forget there are just as many illegal guns in SLU as the Police Force have and a few of them are more modern.

    Let this incident be warning Stop Abusing your powers because the bad boys may very start they own Operation Restore Confidence against POLICE OFFICERS.

  16. Red
    November 16, 2016 at 9:59 am Reply

    I would right him off instead that would stop him alright

  17. Mercie
    November 16, 2016 at 10:52 am Reply

    I’m an ex police officer as well, worked in Outstations and Special Branch. I totally agree with Mr. Williams. Based on the information that have been made available, there is absolutely no reason for a plain clothes officer to shoot a fleeing biker who collided/scraped his vehicle. The officer was not in imminent danger, no loss of life and it was a simple damage to property. This incident does not rise to the level of an indictable offense. This police officer should be relieved of his firearm based on the information that has been received while this case is being investigated. It appears that he used excessive force in this instance and needs to be charged and disciplined. The police cannot be judge, jury and executioner. Failure to address these infractions by law men will only empower others to take the law into their own hands.

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