Francis: Death penalty will not solve ‘murder crisis’

Attorney at Law, Mary Francis, has dismissed a statement Thursday by National Security Minister, Hermangild Francis, in support of capital punishment, asserting that implementing the death penalty will not solve the ‘murder crisis’ in Saint Lucia and the Caribbean.

“If the issue of the death penalty was not such a serious matter, I would say that his comments are laughable to me,” Mary Francis told Saint Lucia Times.

The National Security Minister had complained that criminals were being given a slap on the wrist by the courts, and announced plans to visit the gallows at Bordelais Correctional Facility (BCF) to ensure that the mechanisms were in working order.

But Mary Francis has declared that she cannot not see how, in this 21st century, implementing the death penalty will address the problem of murder.

Saint Lucia has so far recorded 37 homicides.

“We are fooling ourselves into believing that if you send people to the gallows, automatically it is going to be a deterrent,” the outspoken Human Rights Activist asserted.

She said there is no factual basis to prove that executions deter violent crime.

The Coordinator of the National Centre for Legal Aid and Human Rights recalled that there was a recommendation  some years ago that Saint Lucia abolish the death penalty because it is a barbaric, inhuman measure which goes against the right to life – the most important human right.

“If you take away that right, what other human rights are there?” The Attorney at Law remarked.

“If the state is saying killing is wrong, the state cannot commit a wrong. Two wrongs don’t make a right,”  Mary Francis argued.

She explained that the issue of gang violence and murders is rooted in the drugs trade and socio-economic problems including improper parenting.

While making it clear that she does not condone crime, Francis explained that the problem of criminal behaviour is multi-faceted.

“You just cannot simply talk about visiting the gallows and the death penalty. In this day and age these things sound almost laughable,” she told St Lucia Times.

 

60 Comments

  1. WHAT?
    September 16, 2017 at 11:33 am Reply

    So Mary Francis, exactly what will. You do not believe that for every action there is a reaction. You do not believe that the death penalty will work. Do you think it will make people think twice… eh? Mary Mary!

    1. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 11:54 am Reply

      New Testament Verse of the Day:
      And he also said, “It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega – the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give freely from the springs of the water of life.”

      – Revelation 21: 6

  2. WHAT?
    September 16, 2017 at 11:37 am Reply

    And by the way, when three men and more gang rape a woman, and then kill her – and even is she does not die she is probably dead for life. Tell me… what should happen to those three men? Especiallly since it is not the first time they would have done it, and they have probably lined up their next few victims. What’s wrong with you people?

  3. Cabron L
    September 16, 2017 at 11:37 am Reply

    Whatttt!!!!!!!!!! Bet you after the First Execution there will be a decrease in crime. Ms. Francis Work on a face lift and a Perm.

  4. Aaa
    September 16, 2017 at 11:39 am Reply

    Enough with that Francis. It may not immediately solve the crisis but it will definitely assist in having less hardened criminals in our prison and on our streets. It will also serve as a deterrent to would be criminals. I believe that it is worth a try. A trial basis of 5yrs and let’s see what happens with the murder rate. You would then be in a position to speak when there is no improvement. Smh.

    1. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 3:11 pm Reply

      “State sponsored murder is worth a try” your sick, stupid and lack human compassion.

      1. lala
        September 16, 2017 at 7:10 pm

        Where was the murderer’s compassion for the victim? So these can kill then claim a right to life? Eye for an eye …old testament style!

      2. Anonymous
        September 17, 2017 at 10:28 am

        Two wrongs don’t make a right lala. I find it amusing how some people use the bible to support their unchristian views. I think there is a verse in the bible which speaks to that. Additionally, I thought the new testament supersedes the old.

      3. Anonymous
        September 17, 2017 at 10:32 am

        Please note that to make a point, there was some sarcasm in that last statement if someone out there doesn’t get it.

    2. Lili
      September 16, 2017 at 5:14 pm Reply

      Agree with Aaa

  5. Lime Juice
    September 16, 2017 at 11:42 am Reply

    Wut…so criminals have human rights? Then you’re a criminal too. There is no “two wrongs don’t make a right” here. You’re supposed to care and protect the innocence. That’s why I advocate Death Penalty on unforgiving murderous criminals. People like you support criminality, you’re disgusting

  6. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 11:42 am Reply

    If it happens to her family she will know what it feels like.captal punishment shouldbe. Back.st lu c ians should protest her decision

    1. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 12:35 pm Reply

      more over if it happens to her

  7. Marlon Dutchman
    September 16, 2017 at 11:43 am Reply

    Sometimes I just wish I coulda slap that woman to death… talking every day, education makes some people stupid , how can you be in favor of criminals mary? What is your suggestion we can try it if you have one for 6 months if it works we will listen to every word that comes from your mouth, if it doesn’t work we cutting one of your fingers for every extra crime committed during these 6 months and after we go to the gallows, and band you from the media and making and public speech ever again… how about that… I hate people who criticize suggestions with no better suggestions

  8. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 12:04 pm Reply

    There are two fundamental differencies one is legal and the other is illegal haging is legal

  9. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 12:30 pm Reply

    this is exactly why crime and gang violence has no boundaries everything now a days is rights rights rights rights for all of the wrong damn reasons all the reasons why gang members and crime offenders who used to be to be kids at one time picked up those outlaw disrespectful, irresponsible characters, attitudes and behaviors from childhood cause of people like you mary issac who dare parents from desciplining and instilling morals in young people and our children today in this day and age where we did not die from the hectic punishments and strategies of our dying seniors why should it kill them in this modern day and age when every act of discipline is child abuse the rights of parents to correct their child or the neighbors child has been restricted from all persons cause of people like you so there you have it this is where criminal activity originates from childhood with no rules and boundaries yet they have rights over and over crime is rising locals are getting victimized,businesses are getting victimized even children and tourists are getting victimized year in year out with no act of punishments just bleeding the country of growth feeding full course meals to criminals locked criminals whilst there are poor and hungry children in neighborhoods probably has not eaten properly for days this is rubbish sending them to prison hasn’t resolve a damn thing since they abolished this law it hasn’t changed the mentality of criminals lately so why not try it chppppppzzzzzzzz,

    1. Flave
      September 16, 2017 at 1:22 pm Reply

      Well said!

  10. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 12:58 pm Reply

    Every time that woman is two wrongs don’t make a right for years now crime keeps strengthening these are criminals we are talking about you at your house they killing you at house they raping you i mean garcun that woman getting me pissed off yo criminals have no rights you idiot you prefer to act in favor of a criminal than protecting people, seniors, children, and tourist wrong that woman garcun I say major protest action now it is high time somebody put a stop to mary stupid issac. You in your home you not safe you on the street your’re not safe I mean you have no heart for victims and people of this country woman. What comparing innocent people with die hard criminals. I mean it will not indefinitely extinguish crime from occurring but like hell we ourselves will begin to think first and take lives into consideration before we act cause this is what we are lacking in this so called modern age mary issac, ….chupzzzzzzzzzz.

  11. Preacher's kid.
    September 16, 2017 at 12:59 pm Reply

    Proverbs 29:4 The king by judgment establisheth the land…

    Ecc 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

    Mary Mary, quick ruthless judgement will bring a definite change to hearts of criminals, according to God’s wisdom. Are you wiser than God? Do you have a smarter idea? Then shut up madame!

  12. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 1:16 pm Reply

    Miss Francis. With much respects to you and your profession. Tell us if if it is inhumane to hang what solution would you offer to deter crime. If you have none then keep quiet.

  13. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 1:48 pm Reply

    Mary Francis. Of course it will solve the problem. Criminal kills someone –> Criminal hangs –> One less criminal to commit crime. Next criminal –> same result. Rinse repeat. Eventually, there will be no criminals left to commit crime. But of course you would say it won’t stop crime. You’re a lawyer. Lawyers love crime because that’s how it funds their lifestyles.

  14. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 1:59 pm Reply

    If one read and fully digest Mary’s arguments against Capital Punishment and the causative reasons for crimes, she’s correct in my humble opinion. Many of you in this forum get superlative pleasure from ‘Mary Bashing’. Even if Mary is wrong and Capital Punishment is a deterrent to crime, what are the proactive or preventative measures in place to stop these dastardly acts before they occur? Hanging someone is done after the murder has been committed. Scientific research has proven over and over again that Capital Punishment is no deterrent to crime. Minister Francis is just preying on the minds of the ignorant and the gullible. That’s what politicians do best when they have no practical solutions to pressing national problems.

    Vibz

    Vibz

    1. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 6:07 pm Reply

      Agreed!

    2. John Williams
      September 17, 2017 at 3:12 am Reply

      “Even if Mary is wrong and Capital Punishment is a deterrent to crime, what are the proactive or preventative measures in place to stop these dastardly acts before they occur? ”
      Preventive measures are restraint, morals and respect. Duh!

      1. Anonymous
        September 17, 2017 at 1:11 pm

        @John Williams We do not live in a puritanical society so it is imperative that we put specific measures in place to combat man’s brutish behavior. Sadly, morals, virtues and ethics are rapidly diminishing and have been replaced with selfish individualism, apathy and unspeakable cruelty. It’s therefore imperative to put appropriate measures in place to guard against man’s inhumanity to man. Crime prevention initiatives such as more mobile and foot patrols by the police, tougher legislation and stiffer penalties for murder and rape , robust community policing and more should make a considerable dent in criminal activities. Relying strictly on one’s moral conscience to prevent crime is simply an intellectually lazy suggestion.

        Vibz

    3. Anonymous
      September 17, 2017 at 11:56 am Reply

      Your opinion is wrong. End of story.

  15. Justice
    September 16, 2017 at 2:06 pm Reply

    If someone know they will get the death penalty after they commit murder they will think twice before they kill ,criminals killing but the don’t want to die. Give it a try .kill one each day for the month of October including rapist and tell me how many crimes you will hear inNovember.try it.

  16. 666 - No Political Affiliation.
    September 16, 2017 at 2:14 pm Reply

    You see the problem? Most of you are ‘murderers in waiting.’ What are you when you advocate death? Do you not have the mentality of a murderer? Is your heart not poisoned already? A hardened heart is what the devil likes, and it looks like you are his slave!

    You can’t put fire out with more fire, look within and see how evil you are…and address it before it’s too late.

    1. Grrr
      September 16, 2017 at 2:21 pm Reply

      Ur display name has 666 y r u here preaching

      1. Lime Juice
        September 17, 2017 at 9:47 am

        That’s all you got out of that? Put your flipping religion aside, and talk about what actually matters here, useless.

    2. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 3:15 pm Reply

      On point again

    3. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 4:26 pm Reply

      666 you have a brilliant mind

  17. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 2:26 pm Reply

    Omg the death penalty will definitely work because the dead ones who did commit murder did not want to dead and they are.the ones killing people don’t want to die either so yes hang dem.when they know they will be hanged they will not kill.To many of them are getting fat and sleeping well on tax payer money

  18. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 2:30 pm Reply

    Many parents raise their children well but they choose their dirty roads on their own.some come from humble homes but the greed and laziness in this world corrupt the minds.hang them and you will see less crimes killers don’t want to be killed

  19. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 2:44 pm Reply

    Eye for eye tooth for tooth am sure many will think twice before they kill

  20. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 2:50 pm Reply

    Mary deh like a politician she en care what the hell your’ll say. Lol. Dat woman represents the criminals.

  21. Danelle
    September 16, 2017 at 3:45 pm Reply

    I agree with her. If y’all think someone will think twice about committing a crime because of ” Death penalty,” you’re foolish. People commit crimes with no intentions of getting caught ( obviously ). The crime is already committed so they can’t ” Think twice” about anything. And also, The execution of criminals is basically murder, & i thought that ” Murder ” was illegal? That’s just saying that the Government is above the law which it isn’t. Kill someone to prove that killing is bad ? You can’t fight fire with fire.

    1. Anonymous
      September 17, 2017 at 10:11 am Reply

      Well said!

  22. Danelle
    September 16, 2017 at 3:48 pm Reply

    smh

  23. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 4:24 pm Reply

    The comments in support of the death penalty is exactly why violent crime is so high in this country. It wouldn’t take much for most of you to cross the line and be murderers yourself. Most of you show that you already have the mentality. Stupid, shortsighted and no empathy!

  24. Tired
    September 16, 2017 at 4:25 pm Reply

    It may not solve it completely but lady you and everyone else knows it will be a deter ant for those would be criminals. No more sitting at BCF eating off tax payers money enjoying life and seeing their families when they want. Chupz tun woman. You have the most to say well give us the answers as to what will

    1. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 4:38 pm Reply

      The complete social breakdown we are experiencing now is just the chickens coming home to roost. Only the clueless would suggest state sponsored murder as a solution.

  25. Lili
    September 16, 2017 at 5:17 pm Reply

    Mary

    Can you provide a suggestion /s.

  26. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 5:32 pm Reply

    I too find the minister’s comments quite laughable. The learned woman is correct. Implementing the death penalty will NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Just do the research before bashing her unnecessarily. Sometimes I marvel at how uninformed some of my fellow St. Lucians are!

  27. D
    September 16, 2017 at 5:54 pm Reply

    My fellow people of Saint Lucia as much as I want to agree with you I must say marry Francis is their to speak on our behalf because their are people that are wrongfully accused of murder,how would you feel if your brother or sister was hang wrongfully and then found out after they were dead please don’t not act out of anger as much these criminals deserve to be dead,capital punishment will not solve crime because their are lots of murders that is unsolved up to this day what we need to do as citizens of this land is to point these criminals out so justice can be served

  28. St Lucian
    September 16, 2017 at 6:31 pm Reply

    Do we have the proper resources to solve crime? How do we find the murders inorder to hang them? The court system is failing us so until we fix it . Using proper resources e.g. the DNA lab which was never used. Police collecting evidence, and continued investigations. Only then can we solve crimes and maybe bring capital punishment. Until then the justice system failing us and we need to fix it first.

  29. keepingitreal
    September 16, 2017 at 7:16 pm Reply

    A MESSAGE TO THE MEDIA
    Please do not report anything from Mary Francis.
    Its not worth it.

    1. Anonymous
      September 16, 2017 at 8:21 pm Reply

      So said the brainless. Keep it real man. Real stupid!

      1. Keepingitreal
        September 17, 2017 at 8:05 am

        You must be Marys guardian angel

      2. Anonymous
        September 17, 2017 at 10:52 am

        I don’t think so. I just stand for strong conscientious, intelligent people when under attack by the visionless, uninformed masses.

  30. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 8:00 pm Reply

    As the minister said if capital punishment acts as a deterrent all well and good but it should be a punishment for murder. People act like St. Lucia invented capital punishment. It was present in biblical times and it’s still present in the USA the “defender”of human rights. So unrepentant mass murderers shouldn’t die?We should hate evil and not people but if the law says you die for capital murder when found guilty, you die. I remember Solomon perhaps in the mid 90’s,the last one to receive the death penalty after raping and killing after being let out of jail.

  31. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 8:53 pm Reply

    We starting a go fund page to buy ane electric chair .on one condition if someone is found abosoluty guilty ,no circumstantial evidence it must be used.who is in.

  32. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 9:20 pm Reply

    We starting a go fund page to buy an electric chair .on one condition if someone is found abosoluty guilty ,no circumstantial evidence it must be used.who is in.

  33. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 10:02 pm Reply

    Well against Vibe and 666 are the most intelectual people posting well said guy’s…Mary is a smart woman too.she knows that one day she has to face her maker.so she doesn’t want any blood. on her hands.smart move Mary

  34. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 10:29 pm Reply

    From a female point of view, you are a pathetic specimen of what a woman should be in this day and age.

  35. Anonymous
    September 16, 2017 at 11:29 pm Reply

    No face no case

  36. John Williams
    September 17, 2017 at 1:13 am Reply

    Mary, what makes you think that the death penalty would not be a deterrent? You are using North American and European surveys to conclude the same for St. Lucia. Have you polled ST. LUCIANS to find their attitudes and beliefs about the matter? Stop using those stupid foreign surveys as gospel! Sortir la, woman. It’s another form of imperialism that you are trying to impose. The same way that war criminals are only found in Non-White countries and East Europe.

  37. John Williams
    September 17, 2017 at 8:25 am Reply

    By the way, Mary. Your favorite master, USA still has the death penalty as law. Why don’t you tell them stop? Continue being a puppet for international bodies that do not practice what they preach.

  38. Anonymous
    September 17, 2017 at 9:58 am Reply

    1. There are TOO MANY unsolved crimes in St. Lucia
    2. Do we have the adequate resources to properly facilitate our Police Officers in resolving criminal acts?
    3. St. Lucians DO NOT unite/or speak up concerning issues that directly affect their livelihood until it is too late
    4. The Government is investing time into the Tourism product on a large scale but without proper National Security strategies, it will only create crime on an even grandeur basis
    5. Mary Francis has a point but there is also the need to try variables to create a different outcome. If Capital Punishment is a variable to ne TRIED then so be it
    6. St. Lucians need to start looking at life on an economic level and not that of party politics. Vote for the ACTUAL better living conditions and not for your own GREED. Remember your children will suffer the decisions you make today tomorrow.
    7. St. Lucians need to SPEAK UP. Remember… Government officials do not control us we control the Government. Our Taxes pay their salaries and therefore their decisions should directly impact BETTER and IMPROVED living conditions for all St. Lucians
    8. We as a people need to cooperate MORE with Law Officials. In the same breath Law Officials need to cooperate LESS or not at all with criminal elements. If you took an oath to PROTECT AND SERVE do just that please. You also have a family too
    9. As a people we all including myself need to mature and help each other as a pose to stomping on each other’s toes. Provide resolutions while highlighting problems. If we all speak about it then we all can fix it
    10. Most wont agree with me but the reality is that we do nothing but blow hot air. It is high time that we as a people restore the Helen of the West to what it is. We have produced 2 Nobel Laureates. We have amazing Landmarks. Our people are beautiful and helpful. Let us EXUDE what or who we truly are by cleaning up our beloved Nation. Remember the decisions you make today will affect your children tomorrow…

  39. Anonymous
    September 17, 2017 at 4:36 pm Reply

    Mary Francis, OMG (Words deleted).

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